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Sept-11th. Crane crashed down in Mecca during heavy rain.Act of God or Satan?
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InTheNameOfJesus

09/11/2015, 22:09:54




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Act of god or satan? And the difference would be...?
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Palembang

09/12/2015, 16:17:18




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The difference lies with the religious grouping one associated with
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Mao Clone

09/12/2015, 19:40:08




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Its like the question: who created modern israel, God  or the devil? The answers could be diversed and loaded with apologetics






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Again, what is the difference whether god or the devil created Israel?
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Palembang

09/13/2015, 05:38:43




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Israel is there and it does what it does.  The 'diverse answers and apologetics' to explain its existence are just attempts by the human mind to understand the world and the universe outside of it.  And those attempts are based on each individual's personal belief system. 






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The 'diverse answers and apologetics' serve to rationalise rather than to xplain
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Mao Clone

09/13/2015, 06:45:41




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"the world and the universe "

I think the usual apologetics regarding israel from the arab muslim view point  are:

God created israel to test the royalty/resolve of the arab/muslims

OR God allowed the devil to create israel to test the royalty/resolve of the arab/muslims in a grand scheme to ultimately reward the pious and punish the wicked.

The above rest on the arab/muslim 'belief' God is on their side.(I myself as a 10% non-arab muslim believe God created israel to punish the arabs' alliance with infidel Britain and france to bring down the Ottoman kaliphah)

The jews and christians have parallel apologetics on the destruction of the 2nd jewish temple by the romans,the holocaust and the creation of modern israel. Many hasidic jews believe Hitler was an instrument of God to punish the secular jews.

The collapse of that saudi crane into the holiest mosque of islam and killed over 100 muslims on the14th anniversary of 9/11 and on the eve of a hajj is even more dicey






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The power of religion is in the priests more than the deity...
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09/13/2015, 16:50:24




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'The power of religion is in the priests more than the deity'applies more to
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Mao Clone

09/13/2015, 18:03:05




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religions with a centralised priesthood like RC. For judaism, hinduism, islam,its more a matter of cultural and ethnic identity. I sense there's a no. of groupings within every larger(sunni)mosque congregation;there's always a pro-saudi(or aided by) group; if one wants contact with the ISIS,it could be done with some careful probing






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