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UttarBalderdeshi

08/23/2015, 11:39:13




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When Robots Run the Show

Posted on Aug 21, 2015

By Peter Richardson

Basic Books

To see long excerpts from “Rise of the Robots” at Google Books, click here.

“Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future”
A book by Martin Ford

There’s good reason to believe that robots will replace more and more workers, especially those who perform routine tasks, in the coming years. According to one analysis, up to 47 percent of jobs in the United States now performed by humans will be performed by machines within two decades. In the past, this sort of job loss was attributed to “creative destruction” — the destruction of something old by something new, which economist Joseph Schumpeter considered “the essential fact about capitalism.” Continuous innovation sustained economic growth even as it destroyed older modes of production. Predictions of long-term joblessness went awry because innovation also transformed our wants and needs. When I was running Fortran programs using punched cards, I didn’t realize I would eventually need a handheld computer that also doubled as my telephone, camera and navigational guide.

In “Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future,” author Martin Ford, software developer and computer designer, predicts that the next wave of job losses will be different. The main reason for this difference, he argues, is Moore’s Law. Formulated in the mid-1960s by Intel founder Gordon Moore, that axiom predicts that advances in chip technology will increase computing power exponentially. When combined with advances in robotics and artificial intelligence, these gains will make robots the most efficient way to perform routine work now allocated to humans.

We shouldn’t underestimate the consequences of accelerating automation, but Ford’s thesis is vulnerable to two sets of counterarguments. The first set is economic. Yes, American jobs are disappearing, but Ford never makes a convincing case that automation — rather than the neoliberal policies we have pursued for decades — is the main culprit. Indeed, it often seems he has read but not fully digested the relevant literature in labor economics, international trade, economic history and political economy. This lack of expertise doesn’t prevent him from offering a wide range of policy prescriptions.

Much of Ford’s book considers the role of automation in various sectors of the economy, not all of which conform to his thesis. By putting robots at the center of his health care discussion, for example, he seems to overlook the real reasons Americans pay so much (and show worse health outcomes) compared with residents of other advanced countries. In the second half of the chapter, however, Ford turns to the well-known drawbacks of the American approach. He concludes that “health care is a broken market and no amount of technology is likely to bring down costs until the structural problems of the industry are resolved.” This conclusion appears to be a setback for his argument, but instead of modifying his thesis, he suggests “a brief detour from our technology narrative” to offer his policy solutions for this sector. Then, having acknowledged a tenuous connection between automation and the 18 percent of the American economy that comprises our health care costs, Ford returns to his robo-centric discussion.

The other main challenge to Ford’s analysis, one he never addresses, is philosophical. More than four decades ago, philosopher Hubert Dreyfus outlined the conceptual limits of artificial intelligence in “What Computers Can’t Do” (1972). Those limits revolve around the difference between computation, which machines do very well, and consciousness, which machines don’t possess. Many in the high-tech community ignored or mocked Dreyfus’ argument, but by the early 1990s, most had conceded that his critique was on point. It resurfaced in 1999, when Dreyfus’ former colleague, John Searle, assessed Ray Kurzweil’s book, “The Age of Spiritual Machines: When Computers Exceed Human Intelligence.” Searle called that work “an extended reflection on the implications of Moore’s Law” and argued that Kurzweil, an accomplished high-tech inventor and controversial futurist, had left a “huge gulf between the spectacular claims advanced and the weakness of the arguments given in their support.” The main drawback, Searle claimed, was that Kurzweil had failed to distinguish between artificial intelligence and consciousness. When Kurzweil complained about the review in print, Searle made quick work of him.

Although Ford clearly harbors misgivings about Kurzweil’s techno-optimism, he nowhere distinguishes between computation and consciousness. For that reason, he can imagine a world in which robots will furnish at least some of our journalism. By way of example, he offers a computer-generated report of a baseball game. I don’t doubt that robots can supply certain kinds of sporting news, nor do I doubt that they will do so with increasing sophistication. I’m certain, too, that they can produce routine weather reports and business news. That trend may be worrisome for some beat reporters and meteorologists, but Ford’s analysis is another way of saying that not all news is journalism. Although that field is shedding jobs for reasons less directly related to robots, I suspect we will demand conscious journalism (as well as news) for some time to come.   

Ford’s discussion of higher education takes a similar line. After discussing the disappointing results of massive open online courses (MOOCs), Ford indulges his own techno-optimism, hoping against all early evidence that the highly touted MOOCs will “bring high-quality education to hundreds of millions of the world’s poor.” He then turns to the rising costs of, and bleak employment picture in, higher education. “Thus far, colleges and universities have largely been immune to the substantial increases in productivity that have transformed other industries,” Ford reports. “The benefits of information technology have not yet scaled across the higher-education sector. This, at least in part, explains the extraordinary increase in the cost of college in recent decades.”

Actually the main reasons for such cost increases are simpler and closer at hand. In many states, public investments in higher education have taken a back seat to spending on prisons and health care. But there’s a more fundamental misunderstanding here. Like many casual observers, Ford thinks higher education is primarily about information, which has never been cheaper or more abundant. But elite higher education is primarily about transformation, which is best produced in small batches. This distinction, which resembles the one between news and journalism, is lost on Ford. That is perhaps clearest when he considers the machine scoring of student essays. “English professors have little reason to fear that the algorithms are poised to invade upper-level creative writing seminars,” he assures us. “However, their deployment in introductory courses might eventually displace the graduate teaching assistants who now perform these routine grading tasks.”

I’ve graded college essays for decades, and I happen to believe that any paper worth evaluating requires a conscious reader. But let’s say I’m wrong; what does this suggest about the papers we’re asking students to write? If these assignments aren’t designed to sharpen their thinking, or if writing is seen as a testable skill rather than a mode of discovery, maybe we should let computers write the essays as well as grade them. The real problem with this conception of higher education isn’t robots acting like people, but requiring young people to act like robots. If this problem bothers Ford, he masks his discomfort well.

As Ford works his way though each economic sector, his main claim begins to bifurcate. The weak version (increased automation) is obviously true, and the strong version (robot takeover) is probably false. Yet even as Ford’s argument fragments, his discussion moves toward intriguing policy questions and solutions, the most important of which is a guaranteed income. As Ford notes, this isn’t a new idea, and many of its earlier exponents were unterrified by increased automation. Indeed, many were delighted that robots would relieve us of tedious labor. One such person was Buckminster Fuller, who celebrated the contemplative possibilities of leisure. “The true business of people,” he claimed, “should be to … think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to make a living.”

In some ways, Ford’s argument resembles a MacGuffin, Alfred Hitchcock’s term for a plot device that launches a narrative but is otherwise irrelevant to its climax and meaning. To illustrate this point, suppose we granted the strongest possible version of Ford’s thesis; robots eliminated all human labor, and we still had abundant food, housing, health care, education, entertainment, etc. How would we divide the robotic output? I suspect few would argue that robot owners should control 100 percent of the wealth. Now replace full automation with the level we have now, re-pose the question and try to explain why 1 percent of the population should control half the world’s wealth. What makes this arrangement — which happens to be the current state of affairs — more defensible?

Ford’s analysis is an indirect route to such foundational questions — not only in political economy, but also in our understanding of what it is to be human. But if he and his high-tech readers are ready to make that trip, I have no interest in discouraging them.

http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/rise_of_the_robots_20150821






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BTW I agree with the story arc of AI: eventually robots will carry the light
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Canis Majoris

08/24/2015, 16:32:33




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of human civilization. Whether that happens violently (i.e. Terminator-style takeover), or humans figure out that it will be the easiest way to send conscious beings to the stars, will be an interesting question down the line after we finally create sentient robots.





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Come on now, guys. All this talk about AI robots may give the current ones...
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Palembang

09/01/2015, 02:33:15




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 ideas way before their time.






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sending them to deep space, they might return as cylons
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swoosh

08/24/2015, 18:50:55




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If we ever send them into space, it will mean we are already dying as a species.
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Canis Majoris

08/25/2015, 21:32:02




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We're not?
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-Corsair-

08/28/2015, 23:42:26




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Nope.
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Canis Majoris

08/29/2015, 21:15:00




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Mao Clone's oft-repeated analogy is basically correct:
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-Corsair-

08/30/2015, 07:19:33




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Human beings can be easily likened to a bacterial culture, reproducing at an alarmingly increasing rate (and our needs/demands are increasing as well; cavemen didn't need PlayStations). We are rapidly using up the culture medium in our petri dish and replacing it with waste products. By this means we make our doom.





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I think we will make it to the next ice age, by which time governments around
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Canis Majoris

08/30/2015, 08:22:42




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the world will start to enforce 1 child per family policies to drastically reduce human population and move everyone to the equator.

Plus there is a natural braking mechanism on resource consumption called Supply and Demand. As supplies of X (rare earths, gold, silver, phosphorus, etc.) shrink around the world, the price of product Y (Playstations, computers, cars, planes, etc.) will increase dramatically, meaning people will be forced to live simpler lives, and needed commodities will become strictly rationed. Also, historic garbage dumps will be raided to recycle these materials and put them back into circulation. If they get expensive enough, they will definitely be stripped and recycled. This will help to blunt or even reverse resource depletion.






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Not yet unless1)Advanced aliens hunt human for food2)huge meteor shatters earth
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ChairmanMaoHamet

08/29/2015, 17:33:07




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3)Nova(no prospect of coming soon)

4)adverse mutation make gametes malfunction

5)Android rebellion ?? Preventable if we allow 'race mixing' or cyborgisation

In the worst case ecological scenario, a portion of humanity can live underground.Humans are a lot more advanced than dinosaurs






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Why would aliens come all the way here just to eat us?
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-Corsair-

08/30/2015, 07:16:23




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Don't they have closer food sources? As for your survival scenario, humanity reverting to underground cavemen is more or less equivalent to human extinction. We are the product of our civilisaton as much as the other way around. I predict the real apocalypse will come as a result of overpopulation causing a combination of resource depletion and dangerously excessive waste levels. India is the future.





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I used an old analogy of human connoisseur of exotic food
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ChairmanMaoHamet

08/30/2015, 10:58:57




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I envisage an alfa centauri culinary TV program like this:

Chef host(a 6 limbs quad-gender lifeform): " Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to 'Palate Divine' !! Tonite, we're honoured to have with us the celeb Colonel Stormach who just returned from our new colony Sol3. He brough some exotic gourmet items for our Divine Palate. Lets have a big hand for Stormach...

(Applause....)

Stormach: " Thank u folks, to start with (One of his eight hands reaches to nullify a hole on the force-field cage in front of him and grab out a naked human female, still alive..). yes, Sol3 is primitive but Like at this juicy specimen that make Sol3 such a hot hunting-tourist planet. Tonite, we'll try a different recipe of human a la king...

As with human extinction, if u mean like the extinction of homo-erectus, i agree will happen, but then 'humans' will take on new forms. The rest will become legends, like  elves, dwarves.....in the distant past.  Dwarves lived underground u know(their small size made mining their profession)






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I suggest cyborgisation as a 1st step
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ChairmanMaoHamet

08/24/2015, 17:33:40




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after that, to  create new machine-compatible 'biological' with certain in-situ re-generation ability at micro-level

A big question: Wat will be the role and machine meaning  of procreation? Will Child developmment be needed? If the answer is yes, it will be more complicated and the new 'biological' will need to be capable of growth and reproduction in a certain format.

Or a future with immortal machines






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As long as there is some organic tissue involved, it will suffer the same
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Canis Majoris

08/25/2015, 21:31:08




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limitations as the entire human, i.e. need for oxygen, nutrients, water, and low tolerance for pressure, temperature and acceleration. Whereas a totally artificial being only needs energy, and has much higher tolerance to pressure, temperature, and acceleration. It could survive in vacuum and would not need to terraform a destination planet or alter its DNA to adapt to the new climate/atmosphere. Robots are perfect for spreading sentience and civilization to the rest of the universe (if it isn't there already). Humans, not so perfect. Just the existence of high speed interstellar gamma rays alone could be a sufficiently lethal barrier that humans cannot realistically overcome with technology.

As for robot (pro)creation, it could either be programmed into them or be left out entirely. The desire to procreate is surely a pure instinctual motivation for humans, just as it is for lesser animals. Robots being artificial do not necessarily need to possess a desire to procreate. Male/female pairing in general and sexual drive is also instinctual, and robots do not necessarily need to possess such instincts either. It would make things a lot easier TBH. Robots would only be created by a robot society if there was a new need or if another robot succumbed to permanent, catastrophic damage. Population control could be far more easily achieved if you don't have to worry about robots getting drunk and hooking up with other robots and making unplanned baby robots that you now have to also feed and shelter.

The interesting question is how would the mind of an artificial being develop during its lifetime? Would this being have to mentally "grow up" over time, or could maturity be programmed into it from the beginning? Certainly the physical aspects of an artificial being could be fully developed immediately out of the gate, and TBH part of the immaturity of youth isn't just inexperience but also lesser intelligence from a smaller, less developed brain. The intelligence part wouldn't be an issue with an artificial being; it could be uploaded with all the needed knowledge and intelligence necessary for its future function(s) during its construction, Matrix-style. This being would essentially be like a Pre-born, full of knowledge and intelligence but no real world experience. How this would impact its behavior early on is anyone's guess.

Another thing I've been thinking about: what is the best robot body shape? I think the insect body plan is a good blueprint for a robot (with some minor variation): a head consisting of most of the sensory and communications hardware, a thorax containing the memory and CPU as well as one pair of appendages which can be used for manipulation or ambulation, and an abdomen containing two more pairs of appendages along with a power source. This being could stand up straight with its hind legs and use 4 appendages for manipulation and 2 for ambulation, or 2 appendages for manipulation and 4 for ambulation (baseline), or it could use all 6 appendages for ambulation (dash mode). 6 total appendages would offer both stability and free hands to use for whatever task is at hand as well as the option of rapid movement if needed, or even more hands to use for a task, if needed.






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I think crabs are the ideal model for a robot body plan:
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-Corsair-

08/28/2015, 23:42:06




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They have a compact chassis with a rather centrally-located CPU, a low center of gravity, and enough limbs to function even if some are lost (while maintaining specialised grasping appendages). A crab doesn't NEED to "stand up straight with its hind legs", nor does it require a head that is distinctly separate from its carapace: much like Fred Flintstone, it can get along fine with no neck.

We should all get some crabs.






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A crab has no ability to stand up straight, a useful trait in many circumstances
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Canis Majoris

08/29/2015, 21:20:45




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That's why I think the insect body plan is better, similar to that of the praying mantis, with 2 "arms" and 4 "legs", except my vision of an artificial being involves 6 appendages all approximately the same size and shape (the rearmost pair having the stoutest and thickest limbs to support the entire mass of the body when the robot is fully extended vertically).





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Most animals with more than two pairs of walking legs
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-Corsair-

08/30/2015, 07:15:19




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do not stand up straight. Have you seen a mantis stand on its hind legs? It can't balance that way, no matter how stout you make the hindmost legs the other legs will mess up the centre of gravity. If you wanted it to look over something, you could achieve the same effect with cameras/sensors in the grasping appendages.





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There's a deeper issue that'instincts','intuition' could be part of intelligence
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ChairmanMaoHamet

08/26/2015, 05:17:31




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and these are parts of the driving evolutionary force IMO. If all the 'experience' can be downloaded then it might point to 'predictability', proto-sign of stagnancy.  Another issues could be aesthetics. There must be a new definition of wat such new 'life forms' should be and wat are their superority over the old. Otherwise the new 'humans' would be just new bacteria that breakout from the Sol 3 petri dish. Each of these bacteria robots, should their experience all shared, would be just tentacles of a giant galactic entity; not sure if thats wat we ask for. As a contrarian example, as 21st century human, do we understand if a 100000BC chimp had any preference of well beings other than food, sensation of temperature/colors, body odour of his/her sex-mates...

I do agree multi-limbs would be more functional in new planetary environment

Another reflection: IS 'God' an example of that gigantic entity from another dimension and 'angels' its pawns/tentacles? 






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